{"id":28474,"date":"2019-08-09T11:50:10","date_gmt":"2019-08-09T03:50:10","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/www.99.co\/blog\/singapore\/?p=28474"},"modified":"2022-06-13T17:23:53","modified_gmt":"2022-06-13T09:23:53","slug":"im-singaporean-but-this-why-i-live-in-jb","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.99.co\/singapore\/insider\/im-singaporean-but-this-why-i-live-in-jb\/","title":{"rendered":"I&#8217;m Singaporean but this is Why I Live in JB"},"content":{"rendered":"<div id=\"bsf_rt_marker\"><\/div><p>One solution to expensive private housing is to live in Malaysia. This week, we spoke to some Singaporeans who&#8217;ve settled across the causeway, and their reasons for moving:<\/p>\n<h3>What prompted the move?<\/h3>\n<p>We <a href=\"https:\/\/www.99.co\/singapore\/insider\/why-i-regret-buying-property-in-iskandar-malaysia\/\">last spoke<\/a> to Derek (an alias) about his property in Iskandar; but today we&#8217;re bugging him about what it&#8217;s like to live across the causeway. While he&#8217;s shy about revealing too much, Derek does explain that he runs a trading company (which has operations in Malaysia), considers himself a &#8220;serial entrepreneur&#8221;, and has no concrete plans on when he&#8217;ll move back home.<\/p>\n<p>His initial reason for moving to Malaysia was after buying an investment property in Iskandar, which didn&#8217;t pan out as hoped (see the linked article). Derek says: &#8220;<em>After difficulty getting tenants, we realised we&#8217;d made a mistake. But it wasn&#8217;t easy to sell, and since I do some business in Malaysia, my wife and I decided maybe we can salvage the situation. So we moved to Malaysia and rented out our place in Singapore.&#8221;<\/em><\/p>\n<p>While Derek&#8217;s move wasn&#8217;t planned, some other Singaporeans were more deliberate. Mr. Edwin Poh, a former hotel manager, moved to Johor in his mid 70&#8217;s, a few years his wife passed away. He says he had intended to do so even as a younger man:<\/p>\n<p>&#8220;<em>I lived with my family in Penang for almost seven years when I was a boy,&#8221; <\/em>he says, &#8220;<em>And then in my 20&#8217;s I lived in Subang Jaya for about two years. I find that Malaysia, the people are friendlier, and the quality of life is better. In Singapore how long will $50 last you? In Malaysia I can live on $50 a week.&#8221;<\/em><\/p>\n<p>Edwin says he initially planned to move to Malaysia when he retired in his 60&#8217;s, but got caught up with &#8220;various business&#8221;. His wife&#8217;s passing was the final catalyst, but by then he was well prepared for the move financially.<\/p>\n<p>Another Singaporean, Aisyah (not her real name), moved to Johor with her husband and daughter in 2016. A former music teacher, she says the move was &#8220;planned a few years before&#8221;, despite her never having been to Malaysia at the time.<\/p>\n<p>&#8220;<em>It seems strange because before I had never been to JB before, not even on holiday! I had never left Singapore except to go to Batam,&#8221; <\/em>Aisyah says, &#8220;<em>So my husband was shocked when I suggested it. But I felt our house was too small, and we had our second daughter on the way. And I wanted a place with more breathing room.&#8221;<\/em><\/p>\n<figure id=\"attachment_28514\" aria-describedby=\"caption-attachment-28514\" style=\"width: 650px\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\"><img decoding=\"async\" class=\"wp-image-28514\" src=\"https:\/\/www.99.co\/singapore\/insider\/wp-content\/uploads\/2019\/08\/jb-causeway.jpg\" alt=\"highway separating singapore from jb\" width=\"650\" height=\"433\"><figcaption id=\"caption-attachment-28514\" class=\"wp-caption-text\">Living across the causeway remains an attractive option to some Singaporeans<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n<h3>Why continue to stay there?<\/h3>\n<p>Among the people we spoke to, there were four common reasons. These were:<\/p>\n<ul>\n<li>Amenities and ways of life that are vanishing from Singapore<\/li>\n<li>Larger homes at lower costs<\/li>\n<li>Slower pace of life<\/li>\n<li>People are friendlier and more open<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<h3>1. Amenities and ways of life that are vanishing from Singapore<\/h3>\n<p>Edwin feels that one eats better in Malaysia than in Singapore: &#8220;<em>In terms of<\/em> (food) quality<em> maybe JB is not there with Penang or KL&#8221;,<\/em> he says, &#8220;<em>It is comparable to Singapore. But when you look at the price &#8211; for $12 here, you can feed four people if you know where to go. You can eat well for very cheap here.<\/em><\/p>\n<figure id=\"attachment_28515\" aria-describedby=\"caption-attachment-28515\" style=\"width: 650px\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\"><img decoding=\"async\" class=\"wp-image-28515\" src=\"https:\/\/www.99.co\/singapore\/insider\/wp-content\/uploads\/2019\/08\/malaysia-food.jpg\" alt=\"malaysia cuisine\" width=\"650\" height=\"433\"><figcaption id=\"caption-attachment-28515\" class=\"wp-caption-text\">You can eat well for very cheap in Malaysia<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n<p><em>In Singapore, it is all the air-con food courts and restaurants nowadays &#8211; the price is getting higher and higher. On one weekend in Singapore, if I eat there like I eat here, I can spend over $40 on food.&#8221;<\/em><\/p>\n<p>Aisyah says there is more of an outdoor vibe to living in JB, one that she no longer finds on Singapore streets:&#8221; <em>In Singapore, you never see children playing on the pavement, running around. It&#8217;s too dangerous I\u00a0 guess; the pavements are narrow, there are roads everywhere. And the playgrounds are so small.<\/em><\/p>\n<figure id=\"attachment_28516\" aria-describedby=\"caption-attachment-28516\" style=\"width: 650px\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\"><img decoding=\"async\" class=\"wp-image-28516\" src=\"https:\/\/www.99.co\/singapore\/insider\/wp-content\/uploads\/2019\/08\/outdoors-malaysia.jpg\" alt=\"outdoors of malaysia\" width=\"650\" height=\"434\"><figcaption id=\"caption-attachment-28516\" class=\"wp-caption-text\">There is more of an outdoor vibe to living in JB, one that can no longer be found on Singapore streets.<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n<p><em>Here you still see children on the pavement, they run around and play catching. I think in Singapore they will get told off for being a nuisance. Nowadays they play in the void deck also they can get scolded right?&#8221;<\/em><\/p>\n<p>Interestingly, theme parks like Legoland were handwaved by the people we spoke to. &#8220;<em>We went to all these when we first came,&#8221;<\/em> Aisyah says, &#8220;<em>But once was enough.&#8221; <\/em><\/p>\n<h3>2. Larger homes at lower costs<\/h3>\n<p>Derek points out that most Singaporeans can never dream of affording a landed property back home. &#8220;<em>At five million minimum<\/em><em>*, I think most Singaporeans cannot dream of even a small landed property,&#8221;<\/em> Derek says, &#8220;<em>But in Johor, you can get decent landed property for $800,000 to just over $ 1 million.&#8221;<br \/>\n<\/em><\/p>\n<figure id=\"attachment_28517\" aria-describedby=\"caption-attachment-28517\" style=\"width: 650px\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\"><img decoding=\"async\" class=\"wp-image-28517\" src=\"https:\/\/www.99.co\/singapore\/insider\/wp-content\/uploads\/2019\/08\/malaysia-landed-property.jpg\" alt=\"landed property in Malaysia\" width=\"650\" height=\"488\" srcset=\"https:\/\/www.99.co\/singapore\/insider\/wp-content\/uploads\/2019\/08\/malaysia-landed-property.jpg 1000w, https:\/\/www.99.co\/singapore\/insider\/wp-content\/uploads\/2019\/08\/malaysia-landed-property-380x284.jpg 380w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 650px) 100vw, 650px\" \/><figcaption id=\"caption-attachment-28517\" class=\"wp-caption-text\">In Johor, you can get a decent landed property for $800,000 to just over $ 1 million.<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n<p>Aisyah says &#8220;<em>After staying here, I can&#8217;t imagine going back to an HDB flat. I want to stay here as long as possible, or at least until my children marry and move out. When I think of those narrow HDB corridors I feel sad.&#8221;<\/em><\/p>\n<p>*Actually, landed properties <a href=\"https:\/\/www.99.co\/singapore\/insider\/landed-property-can-buy-3-million\/\">for $3 million or under<\/a> do appear on 99.co<\/p>\n<h3>3. Slower pace of life<\/h3>\n<p>Aisyah&#8217;s husband, who asked not to be named, said: &#8220;<em>At first I thought the change of pace was because I changed my job; I used to work in operations, now I am in logistics, so I thought my job was less intense. But after a while I realised it&#8217;s not my job change &#8211; the pace of life is really more relaxed here.<br \/>\n<\/em><\/p>\n<p><em>I think it&#8217;s because there is less population density, fewer crowds&#8230; so things move slower. No one is kiasu and fighting to buy things in a long queue; people stop and talk to each other when we meet. In Singapore it feels more rushed, like we always hurry past one another.&#8221;<\/em><\/p>\n<p>Edwin, however, disagrees. He says that &#8220;<em>JB is just as bustling as Singapore. It&#8217;s your perspective. Your pace of life is determined by you, not by where you stay.&#8221;<\/em><\/p>\n<h3>4. People are friendlier and more open<\/h3>\n<p>Derek finds that both socialising, and doing business, are easier across the causeway. &#8220;<em>In Singapore, we have this thing, we expect someone else to introduce us first,&#8221; <\/em>he says, &#8220;<em>If you just say hi to someone out of the blue, they think you&#8217;re siao. You try to talk to strangers on the MRT, I think they will call the police.<\/em><\/p>\n<p><em>Over here it&#8217;s more acceptable to strike up a conversation on the street, in a shop, wherever.&#8221;<\/em><\/p>\n<p>Edwin says that the neighbours are warmer, and he feels Malaysians in general are better hosts. &#8220;<em>I never see a black face when I walk into a shop,&#8221;<\/em> Edwin says, &#8220;<em>I see that a lot in Singapore. Down here the customer is a guest, in Singapore the customer is a nuisance. <\/em><\/p>\n<p><em>Wherever you go here, people are more gracious. <\/em><em>It&#8217;s part of the culture. <\/em><em>My first week here, every neighbour already knew my name; already invited me into their house. In Singapore, I lived next to my neighbour for two years before he even said hello.&#8221; <\/em><\/p>\n<h3>Is it all rainbows and butterflies in Malaysia?<\/h3>\n<p>The two main problems pointed out were the transport infrastructure, and fear of political upheaval.<\/p>\n<p>Derek&#8217;s investment in his Iskandar property, for example, didn&#8217;t pan out because of current Malaysian Prime Minister Mahatir Mohamad&#8217;s shock election victory; this panned previous plans for the Singapore &#8211; Malaysia High Speed Rail (HSR). Derek says that:<\/p>\n<p>&#8220;<em>I feel the current Malaysian leadership is very protectionist, very suspicious of foreign companies &#8211; Asia&#8217;s counterpart to Donald Trump, to Brexit. This will slow the arrival of new business into regions like Iskandar. I no longer believe we&#8217;ll see the level of development that was the original plan.<br \/>\n<\/em><\/p>\n<p><em>But that&#8217;s how it is. In Malaysia, the political wind changes like the actual wind. Whatever direction it&#8217;s blowing now, it can change in a few minutes.&#8221;<\/em><\/p>\n<p>Edwin also adds that &#8220;<em>Among the older generation of Malaysians, there may be resentment toward the Chinese &#8211; because they feel jobs and businesses have been overtaken by them. <\/em><em>I don&#8217;t think there will be riots or whatever. But the government favours locals over foreigners, and that can make it scary for those who want to do business here. <\/em><\/p>\n<p><em>To live here like me, it&#8217;s just some slight friction you got to put up with. But if you work or do business here, you must be prepared for changes that&#8230;let&#8217;s say they may not be to your advantage.&#8221;<br \/>\n<\/em><\/p>\n<p>Aisyah&#8217;s main complaint, however, is the transport infrastructure:<\/p>\n<p>&#8220;<em>We&#8217;re quite spoiled in Singapore. There is an MRT station everywhere, and the buses are more frequent and regular. In JB, you are more likely to need a car. And if you have children, you&#8217;ll probably want to pick them up from school &#8211; there&#8217;s probably no easy way for them to get back by public transport, unless you want them to use the school bus.&#8221;<\/em><\/p>\n<figure id=\"attachment_28518\" aria-describedby=\"caption-attachment-28518\" style=\"width: 650px\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\"><img decoding=\"async\" class=\"wp-image-28518\" src=\"https:\/\/www.99.co\/singapore\/insider\/wp-content\/uploads\/2019\/08\/malaysia-traffic.jpg\" alt=\"traffic in malaysia \" width=\"650\" height=\"448\"><figcaption id=\"caption-attachment-28518\" class=\"wp-caption-text\">In JB, you are more likely to need a car.<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n<p>Aisyah also highlights safety as a concern: &#8220;<em>This is a bigger place, so of course it&#8217;s harder to police. Most of the crimes are just petty theft, but I am less willing to walk on the street or to use public transport at night. I tell my daughters not to as well. So I guess, it&#8217;s another reason you want a car.&#8221;<\/em><\/p>\n<p><em>Would you consider living in JB? Voice your thoughts in our comments section or on <a href=\"https:\/\/www.facebook.com\/groups\/yourpropertycommunity\/\">our Facebook community page<\/a>.<\/em><\/p>\n<p><em>Looking for a property? Find the home of your dreams today on Singapore\u2019s largest<a href=\"https:\/\/www.99.co\/?utm_source=blog%20main%20site%20conversion\">\u00a0property portal 99.co<\/a>! You can also\u00a0<a href=\"https:\/\/www.99.co\/calculators\/mortgage\">access a wide range of tools to calculate your down payments and loan repayments<\/a>, to make an informed purchase.<\/em><\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>One solution to expensive private housing is to live in Malaysia. 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